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\nFrom: "Danny .S." <dj@...>
\nTo: <01v96@yahoogroups.com>
\nSent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:24 AM
\nSubject: [01v96] Re: Two sets of monitors...
\n
\n
\n> >the Mackies are going to sound much richer than the NS-10's and will be
\n> much
\n> >more pleasureable to work with, but if you get it sounding good on the
\n> NS-10's, it will >translate tothe rest of the world.
\n>
\n> obvisouly the makies will sound better, they are a high quialty full range
\n> speaker....i've not got the NS-10's because they sound good...ive got the
\n> NS-10's for referening during the mixdown...
\n>
\n
\nNo kidding.
\n
\n> Its a bit of a far fetched method that Ronny going to a shop and trying your
\n> CD on lots of cheap hi-fis...i think i'll just stick to my NS-10s...
\n>
\n
\nHow are you going to relate the NS-10's to the rest of the world, if you don't listen to your NS-10
\nmixes on other players at least in the initial stage of learning how to mix with them? Many people
\ntake their cd's not only to Wal-mart but to Electronic stores. In wal-mart you just check the cd's
\nyourself, but if you want to check your mixes on high dollar systems, just about any salesman will
\nlet you audition the cd on their demo models, if you tell them that you want to listen to your own
\ncd, to get a better idea of how a potentially bought player will sound.
\n
\n> Two sets of monitors are a must if you are a pro,
\n
\nThat's poppycock, a pro knows how his room and monitors relate to the real world and pro's don't
\nhave to check their mixes with NS-10's, because they already know how their mixes translate, by
\nusing their multi-thousand dollar speakers.
\n
\nhaving a set of NS-10's
\n> next to a full range high quialty pair of speakers a great for making sure
\n> it sounds great on a mixdown. I ever know big name producers that only use
\n> NS-10s all the way through the recording process because they know the sound
\n> of them...personally during working and writing on the track i'd prefer to
\n> hear it full frequency on the Mackies...a sub is also a must have for a
\n> setup...a lot of people over look this but your never going to get your
\n> mixes to sound like it does when it comes out of a million-studio if you
\n> don't....why?
\n>
\n
\nThis is also poppycock, most mastering engineers DO NOT use subs, why, because the majority of
\nplayback systems do not have subs.
\n
\n> Simply because of two things, if you can't feel the frequencies below 90hz
\n> your really guessing how loud they are, no one would stand for guessing how
\n> things sound above 15,000hz and ditto for the bottom end. You can make two
\n> mistake, if your making a bass heavy track you can push it too far because
\n> you don't know how it sounds below 100hz, then when you play the track on a
\n> large system or somewhere with a sub it sounds awful, and you can have
\n> unhead bass freq's swamping the mix and taking headroom...which in turn
\n> reduces the quialty of your hole record...
\n>
\n
\nAgain this is poppycock. I can hear quite well below 100 hz. If you have to feel the lows to hear
\nthem, than you are monitoring way too loud and are way above the recommend 85dB SPL monitoring
\nstandard, you are at risk of fucking up your mixes by thinking that you must "feel" the lows.
\n
\n> Basically have a good full freq range of monitors, with a bypassable sub and
\n> set of NS-10's is the perfect setup...You need to reference the track before
\n> you do the final Stereo mixdown, theres nothing i hate more than mixing a
\n> track down, burning it to CD then finding it doesn't sound great on a number
\n> of hi-fis or car setups, going back re-adjusting and doing the same
\n> thing...i'd rather get it nailed in the studio first time but using a pair
\n> of NS-10s and sub to completment the setup. The final stereo mixdown is the
\n> part i hate the most, and i'd rather only do it once...especially if you are
\n> using a number of synths that are subject to changing their sound...so next
\n> time you open the track to change something because it didn't sound right in
\n> "walmart" then you end up having to fiddle with a lot more. Of course if you
\n> have commited everything to audio this is ok, but its not something i like
\n> doing to be honest, and in a lot cases i don't trust automation opening back
\n> in Logic and doing the same thing it did last time i had it open either...
\n>
\n
\nYou can trust the memory in Logic. But let me tell you that you are not going to get a good A/B
\nevaluation by A/B'ing mixes. You must A/B the "final" cd itself on different players to get a
\nstarting reference point. Don't think that just because you buy NS-10's that your mixes are going to
\nalways relate. You still need to learn how to mix for the NS-10's.
\n
\n> TB is right again though, i could route from the unused input on the Mackies
\n> to my amp for the NS-10's, i could then use the volume control on the
\n> NS-10's amps to have them either off or on...and there is no need to have to
\n> monitor at the exactly the same level as the Mackies at all...dunno what
\n> your going on about here, as TB said its a good idea to check the mix at low
\n> level, medium and high on both sets of monitors, if it sounds good on both
\n> sets at all different volumes and the sub-frequencies are just right.....it
\n> will sound perfect anywhere...and your ahead of the game.
\n>
\n
\nMan, have you got a lot to learn. What sense is it to run the NS-10 inputs through the Mackie, makes
\nno sense at all. You'll have to have a separate amp for the NS-10's. Go straight from the omni's
\ninto the amp that is being used for the NS-10's.
\n
\nI tried to help, but maybe I explain things that are too complicated for the layman. Sorry about
\nthat, but I'm going by 37 years of audio engineering experience and don't know what engineering
\nlevel a person is at when I advise. It is a fact that if you A/B the same source at different gain
\nlevels, you will "not" get a clear perception of what is happening. The louder source will "always"
\nsound better if things are fairly equal on the multi-track levels, because the louder it is, more of
\nthe minute details will be revealed. The loud is better phenomenon is known all to well by
\nmastering engineers. It's why the loudness wars have gotten commercial cd's sounding like
\nhypercompressed horseshit these days.
\n
\nKeep On Trackin'
\n
\nRonny Morris - Digitak Mastering
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