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--- In 01v96@yahoogroups.com, "Ronny Morris" <romo1@b...> wrote:
\n>
\n> ----- Original Message -----
\n> From: Tom Hole
\n> To: 01v96@yahoogroups.com
\n> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:34 PM
\n> Subject: [01v96] Re: Buss fed Subs
\n>
\n>
\n> Ronny,
\n>
\n> That last reply of mine made no sense, did it?
\n>
\n> Put it this way Tom, it made sense to me what you are wanting to
\ndo.
\n>
\n>
\n> I am using all 8 analouge inputs on the ADA8000 and 6 of 8 of
\nthe
\n> analouge outputs. As far as I could tell from the Behringer web
\n> site, the ADA8000 can input 8 and output 8 at the same time.
\nMakes
\n> it quite the versatile kit, if that is indeed true.
\n>
\n>
\n>
\n> I've heard to the contrary, IIRC. Plenty of people using the
\nADA8000's, with the 48k digi boards. I can't remember who it was on
\nthis list that had one and didn't like it, but for the price and for
\nlive work, I think that they would be ok. I wouldn't expect them to
\nsound as good as the Yammy 24/96 ADC's but if you are used to
\nrunning sound with a Mackie, A&H or Peavey consoles, you'll probably
\nnotice an improvement with the ADA8000 running it over the annie
\nboards. To get equal quality with annie, you may have to spend about
\n30 grand and up.
\n>
\n> Now that I am dropping the 2x31 ep from the mains (I'm just
\ngoing to
\n> use the 4 x PEQ on them), I can probably just as easily route
\nthe
\n> stereo mains from the stereo outs on the 01v96. Actually, I
\nwill do
\n> that.
\n>
\n> I go balanced XLR from the stereo outs with 6 foot cables
\nstraight to my mains amps on one setup. No rack graphics, comps,
\nlimiters, gates, feedback eliminators, parametrics, sonic
\nmaximizers, blah, blah, blah. I get a pristine sound just going
\nmixer>amps>cab's. I quit toting big racks to gigs when I bought my
\nfirst digi console back in the mid 90's.
\n> Let me tell you what happened last April. I was running FOH
\nfor "The Blessing of the Fleet" Festival in Darien, GA. It's their
\nbiggest event of the year with 3,000 or so crowd. It's an outdoor
\nfestival where they rope off about 15 blocks downtown and people set
\nup rides, arts and crafts booths, gimmick booths and food thangies
\non the blocked off roads. At the end of the main drag, 4 lane road
\n(6 counting parking lanes on the side) and straddleing the center
\nline, they set up a portable stage. They fed me power from a
\ntransformer pole nearby, that a lot of the rides and booths at that
\nend of the festival used for their power as well. I was also
\nrecording the band, who I've ran FOH and recorded cd's for. I got a
\nquick soundcheck by recalling another outdoor venue scene, where I
\nhad recorded the same band before. So soundcheck was quick, but
\nright as the MC announced the band, one of the rides had something
\ngo wrong, shorted something out and knocked the power out to the
\nstage and FOH and half the other rides and booths on the main drag.
\nWhen they got the power back on after just a short time and I turned
\nthe v96 back on, it went into factory re-intialization mode and poof
\nwent every scene, channel lib, eq, dyns, gates and fx that I had set
\nfor the band for live shows. Nothing but factory Scene #0 and no
\ndata showing in all user library slots. UH-OH, right? Nope, the show
\nhad to go on, so I turned up the announcers mic and the bands voc
\nmic's and told him to announce the band again, which he did and they
\nstarted playing while I started setting the vox levels and than
\ninstrument levels and drum mics. A minute and a half into their
\nfirst song I had the levels matched pretty good and than started
\nbringing the fx into the mains, settting them from the factory mono
\ndelay that I use on Aux 1 and the stereo hall verb that I use on Aux
\n2. Than brought the Auxes for the stage monitors up. By the time the
\nfirst song was over I had the band satisified on stage, except for
\nthe drummer who wanted his wireless headset mix up a little. On the
\nsecond tune I set the kick drum eq out front. A long time client
\nthat I record and have used for mucho session work in the past, had
\nheard about the power going out and came over to ask if he could
\nhelp. I said listen and tell me what you think. He said it sounds
\ngreat. I said the only thing that's eq'd is the kick. He said "I
\nwouldn't touch anything else", I said YEAH, you're right. So, I left
\neverything like it was and didn't worry about it. When I got back to
\nthe studio I just opened SM and loaded my scenes and other lib's
\nback in. But here's the thing, if the power had gone out at the
\nbeginning of soundcheck and I would have spent two hours re-tweaking
\neverything back to normal, re-setting patch lib's and such, I don't
\nreally believe the crowd or even my friend the session cat who is a
\nvery accomplished musician with damn good ears, would have noticed
\nmuch difference. So here's what I'm saying to you. As long as you
\nhave good sounding mains amps and cab's and you run the v96
\ncompletely flat, you are "STILL" going to get a damn good sound,
\nmuch better than if you run through a rack full of annie opamp gear
\nwith scads of annie cables connecting them and running your signal
\nin one and out the next and in one and out the next etc. etc. etc,
\ndegrading your signal more and more at each opamp.
\n>
\n> Oh, yeah, the PA amps do have buillt in limiters, but other
\nthan a power, ground lift and parallel switch for bridging the
\nsides, there is nothing but gain knobs. Vocal mics were Audix, drum
\nmics were 421's on toms, Audix on snare, D112 on kick and Octava's
\nfor overheads. The 2 guitarists ran direct from their pedalboards, I
\nhad put a Nobels on the bassist and the other guitarist was miced
\nwith a 57, so just drums and one amp miced. One of the best damn
\nshows that I've ever worked and I basically ran everything flat
\nexcept for the kick. Crowd loved the band, show went without a hitch
\nafter it started and the festival organizer contracted me to run the
\nshow for next year. Fall into a bucket of shit with v96 and come out
\nsmelling like lilac petals. :O)
\n>
\n> Keep On Trackin'
\n>
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