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--- In GE-Mpa@yahoogroups.com, Geoff Fors <wb6nvh@...> wrote:
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\n> Thanks, Doug.
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\n> The radios I have are apparently ex-federal government as there is a USGE ID# on the nameplate on the back (did anyone ever figure out what USGE stands for? We were pondering that over on the Motorola reflector and nobody came up with a definite answer.)
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\n> Being that they are federal surplus, this should mean that the system in them is DES. The model number is PVUE5XS-CC. No other letters.
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\n> The keyloader I have, which didn't come with these radios, also has a USGE ID number on the nameplate, and is labeled as a DES keyloader. This is the black hand-held keyloader with the red LED display, 19A148910P3 "DES KEYLOADER," about the size of a hand held calculator from the 1970's. It came with a coiled cord with RJ 45 connectors on each end.
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\n> The older MPS radios with DES have a big bulge in the rear housing with an RJ-45 socket for this keyloader cable. I believe the M-PD uses a different keyloader cable, which mates with the mike connector rather than using an RJ-45.
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\n> Thus, it appears that these particular M-PD radios would have used the standard M-PD software and actually loaded keys only via the handheld keyloader (?)
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\n> Since I am not interested in using encryption, which isn't legal or useful on the ham band, it sounds like I will be just fine using the standard M-PD software to move these Voice Guard Conventional 450-460 MHz radios into the ham band (with VCO touch-up.)
\n>
\n> Geoff
\n> WB6NVH
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\n> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Doug Bade <kd8b@...> wrote:
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\n> From: Doug Bade <kd8b@...>
\n> Subject: Re: [GE-Mpa] Re: M-PD Voice Guard Software
\n> To: GE-Mpa@yahoogroups.com
\n> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 5:51 AM
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\n> Gary and Gary;
\n> The Voice Guard digital voice came in 2 flavors. VGE and
\n> DES. The DES codes NEEDED to be loaded with a key loader. That was a
\n> handheld device .. there were 2 versions of that with several
\n> versions of revisions over time.. one for VGE and One for DES...
\n>
\n> VGE Voice guard codes could be loaded directly from the MPD VG
\n> software or edacs sw as dictated by the radio firmware. VGE codes
\n> COULD be changed by the external key loader...made for VGE...
\n>
\n> DES codes were required to be non retrievable hence the pc software
\n> could not create them as that would be traceable and/ or
\n> readable...The keyloader handheld was a config and blind write
\n> device... you only knew which key you were writing but not what the
\n> key was. Only the guy who wrote the key knew what buttons he pushed
\n> before storing...
\n>
\n> The VGE codes are saved in the personality file... when you build one...
\n>
\n> Your radios could be DES or VGE... Probably DES.. without a handheld
\n> key loader and the MPD/MPA cable.. you will not get to far...The
\n> codes on the nameplate say which.. I think it was VG for VGE and VA
\n> or something else for DES.... It was stamped in the corner of the label...
\n>
\n> MPD VG software was a controlled software and only sold to folks who
\n> needed it. Those parties are not too likely to want to distribute it
\n> as there are or were DOD implications and export control
\n> regulations. . free distribution was not even remotely part of the license.. :-)
\n>
\n> Doug
\n> 73
\n>
\n> At 08:23 AM 3/4/2009, you wrote:
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\n> >Don't know much about the keyloaders.. . thought they used a small
\n> >dedicated hand held device with a keyboard of sorts to load the
\n> >encryption keys thru a special mic adapter with an RJ11 jack...
\n> >
\n> >Gary
\n> >
\n> >
\n> >Gary Michalosky wrote:
\n> >>
\n> >>Gary,
\n> >>
\n> >>Reading up on voice guard a little more, they had a pc based key
\n> >>loader for the first generation of voice guard is that correct?
\n> >>
\n> >>Gary
\n> >>KI4WPI
\n> >>
\n> >>--- In <mailto:GE-Mpa% 40yahoogroups. com>GE-Mpa@yahoogroups. com,
\n> >>Geoff Fors <mailto:wb6nvh@ ...><wb6nvh@ ...> wrote:
\n> >> >
\n> >> > Thanks, Gary.
\n> >> >
\n> >> > The M-PD conventional software is already in the group's files
\n> >> section, Ver. 2.0, which is the same one I already have.
\n> >> >
\n> >> > The Voice Guard Conventional M-PD software, however, is not,
\n> >> which is why I was wondering what I would do.
\n> >> >
\n> >> > I haven't finished making the programming cable yet, which is
\n> >> why I didn't know whether I could get the standard software to work...
\n> >> >
\n> >> >
\n> >> > Geoff
\n> >> > WB6NVH
\n> >> >
\n> >> > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, gary.nz5v <gary.nz5v@ ..> wrote:
\n> >> >
\n> >> > From: gary.nz5v <gary.nz5v@ ..>
\n> >> > Subject: [GE-Mpa] Re: M-PD Voice Guard Software
\n> >> > To: <mailto:GE-Mpa% 40yahoogroups. com>GE-Mpa@yahoogroups. com
\n> >> > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 5:27 AM
\n> >> >
\n> >> >
\n> >> >
\n> >> >
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\n> >> >
\n> >> > Just use the straight MPD conventional software...
\n> >> >
\n> >> > I can post it in the files section of the group if you need it.
\n> >> >
\n> >> > Gary
\n> >> > NZ5V
\n> >> >
\n> >> > --- In GE-Mpa@yahoogroups. com, "wb6nvh" <wb6nvh@> wrote:
\n> >> > >
\n> >> > > I am working on moving some M-PD Voice Guard conventional UHF radios
\n> >> > > into the ham band, but I just noticed that my M-PD conventional
\n> >> > > software, TQ-4312,is actually the wrong one and I instead need the
\n> >> > > Voice Guard conventional software, TQ 4319.
\n> >> > >
\n> >> > > The Voice Guard conventional software seems to be unavailable anywhere
\n> >> > > and I was wondering if these radios can still be programmed with the
\n> >> > > regular conventional software since I don't need the Voice Guard
\n> >> > > feature anyway, or am I stuck?
\n> >> > >
\n> >> > > Geoff
\n> >> > > WB6NVH
\n> >> > > Monterey CA
\n> >> > >
\n> >> >
\n> >
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